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Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:15:00 -
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The Vengeance is great for bait if you can keep it moving, but the Retri is a little underestimated. Solo - you want to choose your fights, but in a gang you're more than welcome, being the highest dps AF available, with range bonuses - it's rather rewarding.
The ship goes hand-in-hand with the sentinel.
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Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Ralarina
Originally by: Kessiaan
So, do Amarr AFs just suck that much? Or am I missing something?
ur missing a mid slot haha
lol good call 
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Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.06 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Aerin Cloudfayr on 06/01/2009 15:43:32
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
[Retribution, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
//HEATSINK//
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Energy Locus Coordinator I
Energy Locus Coordinator I
why would you crucify your tank by using a MWD (sig penalty anyone) and cripple your potential damage by using DLPIIs?
I can't see this retri variant doing well against the AB MPII variant tbh. Tracking from that speed is going to be hopeless, and the blown out sig radius will make taking hits an exercise in pain. srsly? Has this fit been tried in combat? Your signature radius is 210m. Light missiles and even cruiser guns will have a field day on this.
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Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.07 06:07:00 -
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oooh you can squeeze on nosferatu or rr/cap transfer into the spare utility with an honour tank :o
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Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.08 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Aerin Cloudfayr on 08/01/2009 01:07:20
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Because AB setups are terrible (see above) and MP IIs don't fit. DLPs actually do more damage thanks to not wasting your lows on grid mods.
why on earth are you fitting grid mods? why on earth? why would you? DLPs are just bad . just. bad. You wouldn't fit anything but Mediums on this puppy otherwise your totally gimping the ships intentions. DCII is totally(relatively) useless on a frigate, and the 30-odd CPU can be better used in tracking/damage mods, not to mention resistance plating.
in a gang not everyone has to tackle. why would you tackle when your ship's not designed for it? |
Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.08 01:35:00 -
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So if money is no limit, why would you waste your time with your setup when you could do better in a zealot?
because, you've made a 9-12mil ship worth about 30mil, which is a waste of good mods and rigs tbh.
they're cheap ships for cheap fun, sooooo for what they're worth, you ought to keep them replaceable. |
Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.08 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cmndr Griff
Originally by: baltec1
The retribution is great fun to fly, try it rather than looking at EFT and then bashing it.
This.
This.
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Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.08 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr
So if money is no limit, why would you waste your time with your setup when you could do better in a zealot?
because, you've made a 9-12mil ship worth about 30mil, which is a waste of good mods and rigs tbh.
they're cheap ships for cheap fun, sooooo for what they're worth, you ought to keep them replaceable.
Ok, fine, remove the rigs. Now you've got a ship that's even worse than before, and even less reason to fly it over an Ishkur, Harpy or Jaguar.
Of course, like you said, I'd prefer to fly a Zealot over a Retribution, and fly a good frigate if I want to do a frigate's job.
So do it. we'll run rings around you and kill you with bees.
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Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.08 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr
So do it. we'll run rings around you and kill you with bees.
Let us review how tracking works. Which does the tracking calculation use, tangential velocity or radial velocity? Correct, radial velocity. What does radial velocity depend on? Can you guess.
Range.
Now, let's think about this for a second. If tracking depends on range, and higher range = easier to track, what happens when you try to orbit a pair of Zealots (this is obviously a gang scenario, as a Retribution can't solo) 20km apart?
If you said "you die", then you are correct.
In the rare case that a Zealot still wouldn't be able to track your frigates, an Ishkur or Harpy is the ship you're looking for.
and let's put this in a gang scenario as well.
A gang of AF's would be drunk and stupid to engage a gang of zealots without proper support from other AFs/EASs fitting tracking disruptors and some kind of neuting.
But a paired gang of Retribution and Sentinel can easily pick and choose what to fight and when, owing to the tackling and hamstringing abilities of the sentinel, as well as the extra DPS of a retribution.
a neuted and TD'd Zealot in this fashion is dead meat. Sentinel can close to 0 once the zealot is incapacitated and the Retribution can orbit at will. Once the second Zealot enters the picture, it's time run like muppets...
Why would you fly the Zealot anyway? once it's TD'd its only good for ramming O.o |
Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.08 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Aerin Cloudfayr on 08/01/2009 02:57:25
comon, you got to admit, a sentinel would grab a zealot by the balls. Even with your injecting, the cap will only last around a minute. Not to mention EC drones.
uselessness inbound!
you'll try to orbit, but your guns're screwed.
you'll try to close in so you can actually hit, but you're cap's going to dwindle away
you'll try to get range and snipe but you're going to be boxing with EC drones.
Either way. It's got you by the balls. Here enters the Retribution, doing what it does best. pewpew.
With your cap melted, and no dronebay, you're dead.
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Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.08 05:00:00 -
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there's truth in here, but I can vouch for the retribution when up against an ishkur for that matter.
Great tracking with Medium Pulses to take out the drones, and DPS to pummel down his tank. damn that was a good fight...
I lean heavily towards the AB because more often than not I'm facing cowdari. But that's not saying MWDs are useless. |
Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.08 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Aerin Cloudfayr on 08/01/2009 08:40:38
so...you want to see every frigate in a frigate-gang waste a tactically viable midslot on a point? not to mention sacrificing CPU and combat techniques? how many points does it take to tackle? 50? 5? 1? durrr
this is stupidity.
seriously you need to get your game on, midslots aren't JUST for tackle. And other ships more suited to tackle should assume that role in a gang. That aside, ships suited to damage should assume that role. So what, if any other role, is the Retribution best suited to?
4 guns...5 lows...stupidly good cap.....um.
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Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.08 08:42:00 -
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Edited by: Aerin Cloudfayr on 08/01/2009 08:43:15
key point - frigate. HACs aren't frigates. Your argument fails.
Retribution is capable of killing intys before they close range. Interceptor out.
Interceptors do not do damage relative to AFs. Interceptor damage out. Interceptors do not tank as well as AFs. Interceptor out.
Assault frigates baby. |
Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.08 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr
Edited by: Aerin Cloudfayr on 08/01/2009 08:40:38
so...you want to see every frigate in a frigate-gang waste a tactically viable midslot on a point? not to mention sacrificing CPU and combat techniques? how many points does it take to tackle? 50? 5? 1? durrr
this is stupidity.
Fine, fit something else in the second/third mid on your frigates.
Oh wait, the Retribution doesn't have one. If ewar or whatever is so awesome on frigates, this is yet another argument against the Retribution, since it can't fit those valuable modules.
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seriously you need to get your game on, midslots aren't JUST for tackle. And other ships more suited to tackle should assume that role in a gang. That aside, ships suited to damage should assume that role. So what, if any other role, is the Retribution best suited to?
The Retribution is best suited to reprocessing. If you've got good skills, you might get enough minerals to build yourself a better AF.
Your mistake is assuming that the Retribution has to have a role. It doesn't, it just sucks.
keep it up, your assessments might just get it buffed. Seriously, we're all listening. |
Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.10 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Aerin Cloudfayr on 10/01/2009 15:23:30
much AF fun was had on the test server tonight. I hit a flycatcher for 6, tanked/scrammed/webbed a CS until my mate fitted a ship strong enough to take down his tank, and generally was wtfpwn this night. Pure damage output on the retri is sock rocking against the other AFs we used (ishkur incl) and it was overall a good turnout.
happy in the pants.
btw, ur pic is absolute win Ashani. i want to use my crayons now  |
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